Is Plumstead Common about to get its very own pole dancing club?
It's been brought to our attention that one of the other Greenwich bloggers, Plumsteadshire, has posted regarding the Ship Pub on Plumstead Common Road. Apparently a license application has been submitted to change the usage of the pub into an "exclusive" late night establishment. The place will have bricked up windows and the license requests 'dancing' as usage. Does any of this sound familiar?
Sadly, presumably due to the poor state of the Coucnil's IT system, the license application which was submitted on Spetember 1st is not available online yet. A comment in the Plumsteadshire post by another local blogger called Last Boy Scout says that local residents have started putting a petition together.
Clearly the fact that the pub sits on a road which separates two wards any petition will need to involve the support of all councillors on both sides. We would email them but they don't reply to us as they're not allowed to anymore. However, we suggest anyone that has a problem with what appears to be yet another unsavoury establishment in a local community sends them an email post haste. The two wards are Shooters Hill and Glyndon
Sadly, presumably due to the poor state of the Coucnil's IT system, the license application which was submitted on Spetember 1st is not available online yet. A comment in the Plumsteadshire post by another local blogger called Last Boy Scout says that local residents have started putting a petition together.
Clearly the fact that the pub sits on a road which separates two wards any petition will need to involve the support of all councillors on both sides. We would email them but they don't reply to us as they're not allowed to anymore. However, we suggest anyone that has a problem with what appears to be yet another unsavoury establishment in a local community sends them an email post haste. The two wards are Shooters Hill and Glyndon
posted by greenwich.watch at 8:01 pm
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The Plumstead local residents might like to try to contact the Greenwich residents who opposed Caffrey's Bar's application to be a pole-dancing club and see if there are any useful tips to be picked up. The contact e-mail address used to be
localresidentscommittee@theplazagreenwich.com
but I don't know if that still works. Their last meeting was, I think, on 1 August 2006 (and they had a barrister advising them).
Interestingly enough, Danny Thorpe has replied to my complaint claiming that no license application has been lodged with the Council. Who is right here?
Give this is Greenwich Council we're talking about, we're possibly assuming a higher level competence on them to know what is going on than perhaps we should?
I can think of two Glyndon councillors who might wish to patronise this establishment. One's a "family man", apparently, while the other makes great play on the initials after his name.
One of the aforementioned Glyndon Councillors is Chairman of one of the Licensing Committees which considers applications from such 'adult entertainment' establishments.
I have every confidence that should these lap dancers come before him he will be able to handle the matter.
There seems to be a descrepancy between the notice posted on The Ship and that appearing on the Council's website. According to the website, the deadline for "representations" is 5th October (the closing time for the proposed club varies too - 1am on the pub, 2am on the website, for instance).
Local residents congregated outside The Ship at lunchtime Saturday - including Councillors Danny Thorpe and Paul Tyler, and MP Clive Efford. The News Shopper was there.
Some residents living within 100m of the proposed "Exclusive Bar & Lounge" have received notification - others have not. Talk to your neighbours - make sure everyone knows what's going on.
Objections (which must be in writing - emails and faxes are not valid) must relate directly to four clearly defined criteria:
- Protection of children from harm
- Prevention of crime and disorder
- Public safety
- Prevention of public nuisance
If your letter includes an objection that wanders outside these criteria (beware of rumours - even if, in the long-term, they are justified), Mr Patel's lawyers will ensure it is excluded.
If you want a councillor to represent your views, you must request this in writing - they are not allowed to "take up the cudgels" unless expressly asked so to do (she says, trying to sound posh).
I suggest you email Danny Thorpe ASAP so that you can be kept apprised of the whys and wherefores - advice will be given on what and what not to include in your letter, for instance.
There are discrepancies between the notice posted on The Ship and the notice posted on the Council webiste. The most important one is that, according to the website, the deadline for objections is 5th October. (On a point of interest, the notice ON the pub allowed 20 days to object - it should be 28 days).
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Local residents gathered outside The Ship at lunchtime on Saturday (16th), including Councillors Danny Thorpe and Paul Tyler, and MP Clive Efford. A photographer from the News Shopper was a welcome presence.
Objections to the application must relate to the following criteria:
- Protection of children from harm
- Prevention of crime and disorder
- Public safety
- Prevention of public nuisance
Objections must be signed and in writing - emails and faxes are not valid unless followed by a signed letter. Objections must relate directly to the application as published and to the above criteria - please ignore rumours (Mr Patel's lawyers will ensure that any objections that do not strictly abide by these conditions are thrown out).
Another important point worth mentioning is that councillors are not allowed to "take up the cudgel" unless residents ask them, in writing, so to do (she says, trying to sound posh).
I suggest that you email Danny Thorpe ASAP (danny.thorpe@greenwich.gov.uk)to ascertain the exact whys and wherefores to objecting to this licencing application.
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